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i see ebolanona has found a new bone to gnaw at
well i think naoto was covered great but might still be looking for an answer. like the jdramas explored her hesitance to be girly and the novels have them being more gender neutral.
half life of plutonium is 80 million years, dumbaline
japan thinks that rebelling against gender roles means u have to start crossdressing and using opposite pronouns
see: all the anime single fathers who start crossdressing because they "wanted to take up the role of both mother and father to their child"
see: all the anime single fathers who start crossdressing because they "wanted to take up the role of both mother and father to their child"
do you know what the rate of female officers in the Japanese police force was at the time of Persona 4’s release? Under 7%. The numbers are increasing, so they might have been even lower when the game was first conceived. Is it any surprise that Naoto didn’t feel safe within this environment as a woman?
As for female Japan Private Eyes in Japan - Yes, they exist. Mostly as divorce/affair detectives, as I was told by a Japanese professor of mine once. Not homicide detectives, however. They are only called upon for family matters. Is that the line of work Naoto would want to go into, you think? And if you now go and say “But within the universe of the game, Naoto’s mother was a detective too!” then I go: Naoto’s mother is only ever mentioned as a unit with her father. Who’s also a detective. Which brings up the implication that Mrs. Shirogane might have more or less acted as her husband’s “sidekick”, which is only furthered by how Naoto’s grandfather, also a detective, is on his own, but male. Naoto clearly isn’t sidekick material, which would explain why her mother isn’t the ideal she strives for, aside from her obvious exposure to the very male-dominated mystery-genre in Japanese pop culture.
Also, I love how that article brings up “Japan’s Trans Culture” in the title, but never actually talks about Japan’s “Trans Culture”, instead bringing up data from Wikipedia about very recent law changes, that have, by far, not become common practice yet. In fact, it is actually INCREDIBLY hard to change your legal gender in Japan, since it’s tied to a long number of conditions, including being unmarried, having no children and also having had Sex Reassignment Surgery beforehand.In Persona 4, this kind of “romanticized” queer character would have had no place, as the story speaks of real issues that real Japanese teenagers have and analyses them in an Jungian context. Having an actual LGTB youth, on the other hand, would have required the story by default to tackle the actual reality of Japanese LGBT Culture that is never shown in any of these romanticized works: We would have seen adult characters’ reactions to the subject, as well as the horrible social rejection they would have faced - which, in the context of Persona 4’s narrative, would have probably lead into a so deeply unlikable Inaba (Not that Inaba’s society is very likable to start with) that it would have been highly uncomfortable to play the Daily-Life portions from that point on. It would have undercut the mood of the game to a point that the narrative would possibly have collapsed on itself, unless said character had been killed off at some point or turned out to be the killer - and I don’t think I need to explain how both of these would have been HORRIBLE writing choices.
However, this is both still assuming that queer representation, at any point, was even intended in Persona 4’s narrative, which it wasn’t; reading the Japanese version of the artbook reveals that both, Naoto and Kanji’s characters were altered heavily during the development process and that the gender-problematic in their arcs was added only rather late. It’s easy to rewrite single characters within the boundaries of the narrative you’ve crafted; rewriting the entire narrative just to befit the needs of the arc of one or two characters, however, means starting from scratch.
As for female Japan Private Eyes in Japan - Yes, they exist. Mostly as divorce/affair detectives, as I was told by a Japanese professor of mine once. Not homicide detectives, however. They are only called upon for family matters. Is that the line of work Naoto would want to go into, you think? And if you now go and say “But within the universe of the game, Naoto’s mother was a detective too!” then I go: Naoto’s mother is only ever mentioned as a unit with her father. Who’s also a detective. Which brings up the implication that Mrs. Shirogane might have more or less acted as her husband’s “sidekick”, which is only furthered by how Naoto’s grandfather, also a detective, is on his own, but male. Naoto clearly isn’t sidekick material, which would explain why her mother isn’t the ideal she strives for, aside from her obvious exposure to the very male-dominated mystery-genre in Japanese pop culture.
Also, I love how that article brings up “Japan’s Trans Culture” in the title, but never actually talks about Japan’s “Trans Culture”, instead bringing up data from Wikipedia about very recent law changes, that have, by far, not become common practice yet. In fact, it is actually INCREDIBLY hard to change your legal gender in Japan, since it’s tied to a long number of conditions, including being unmarried, having no children and also having had Sex Reassignment Surgery beforehand.In Persona 4, this kind of “romanticized” queer character would have had no place, as the story speaks of real issues that real Japanese teenagers have and analyses them in an Jungian context. Having an actual LGTB youth, on the other hand, would have required the story by default to tackle the actual reality of Japanese LGBT Culture that is never shown in any of these romanticized works: We would have seen adult characters’ reactions to the subject, as well as the horrible social rejection they would have faced - which, in the context of Persona 4’s narrative, would have probably lead into a so deeply unlikable Inaba (Not that Inaba’s society is very likable to start with) that it would have been highly uncomfortable to play the Daily-Life portions from that point on. It would have undercut the mood of the game to a point that the narrative would possibly have collapsed on itself, unless said character had been killed off at some point or turned out to be the killer - and I don’t think I need to explain how both of these would have been HORRIBLE writing choices.
However, this is both still assuming that queer representation, at any point, was even intended in Persona 4’s narrative, which it wasn’t; reading the Japanese version of the artbook reveals that both, Naoto and Kanji’s characters were altered heavily during the development process and that the gender-problematic in their arcs was added only rather late. It’s easy to rewrite single characters within the boundaries of the narrative you’ve crafted; rewriting the entire narrative just to befit the needs of the arc of one or two characters, however, means starting from scratch.
i sort of agree! i think naoto may be gnc but maybe not trans. like they may have started out wanting to be noticed and accepted in their field but has grown comfortable in themselves. i think persona (except the social link) covered it p.well with the insecurities a young person has who is questioning their gender
and the conflation of gayness and transness omg
i've consumed too many japanese series/books/whatever where someone struggles with gay feelings and then it's okay bc they're "just" trans and everyone's happily straight ever after
i've consumed too many japanese series/books/whatever where someone struggles with gay feelings and then it's okay bc they're "just" trans and everyone's happily straight ever after
if naoto lived somewhere where female detectives were just as accepted as male detectives she wouldn't have had a problem with being a girl
but they had kanji too and he only crossdressed bc it was funny and said 'fuck it! i know who i am' teddy also crossdressed too and liked it
i live in chicago and I've never even heard of salsa here so i feel u
it's totally usual for girls with internalized misogyny to want to surgically transition
that means they're cis and comfortable enough w/their gender that crossdressing doesn't freak them the fuck out
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